The political battle over state borders is heating up. The Premiers are standing firm but the Prime Minister wants interstate travel to resume by Christmas. Hard border closures are helping contain COVID cases but have caused massive problems for business, health care workers and families in need of medical attention. So, who’s got the power when it counts? Are we getting the balance right when it comes to restricting free travel in the name of public health? To discuss this with Hamish Macdonald are: Michael McCormack, Deputy Prime Minister; Kristina Keneally, Shadow Home Affairs Minister; Dr Omar Khorshid, Australian Medical Association President; Kim Rubenstein, legal scholar and citizenship expert; and Tania de Jong, social and business entrepreneur.